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tougefox
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 Posted - 06/03/2006 : 01:14:09
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Well im not sure who out there plans on doing the aba swap but i figured id put the info out there if anyone needed it. Everything may not all be there cuz i might forget something here or there, if u notice anything feel free to add.
1. Techtonics aba block off plates
2. Techtonics dizzy adapter
3. swap 1.8 pulleys with aba pulleys
4. swap over oil pickup
5. swap oil pan
6. E30 motor mounts
7. swap over brackets
8. swap over motor mounts
9. AEB oil filter flange
Think thats pretty much it...Pretty simple, and more than worth it!
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snowfox
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 15:11:59
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| So have you got that thing finally up and running now? Or are you still fighting the oil leak I saw you mentioning over on the 'Tex? |
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tougefox
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 17:50:55
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| just finished it all minutes ago. Bout to go get some gas, pour it in, and ROOOOOLL OUT!-lol |
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volkswagenfoxclub
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 21:11:53
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| all right mike |
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Rajel
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 03:30:43
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| What kind of preformance gains would one expect after doing this? And what about price range to do the whole job(excluding labor of course) |
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tougefox
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 13:59:13
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| I have yet to experience the raw power of the 2.0. But it revs muuuuch faster and the few times i drove it is much quiker. Keep in mind car is fully stripped, no ac, race seat, the works. As for price. Not including the motor no reason u should be over 100. My motor was 75 bux, 200shipped. |
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snowfox
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 12:28:06
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Originally posted by Rajel
What kind of preformance gains would one expect after doing this? And what about price range to do the whole job(excluding labor of course)
Well... Figure this, a Fox's 9:1 1.8L is rated at 81hp while the 10:1 1.8L I have in the 89 Jetta W.E. is rated at 100hp. There's something to be said for inreased compression ratio. The 2L ABA is also 10:1 and rated at 115hp in stock form. The biggest difference though is in the torque. I don't know the stock torque spec on the ABA, but it is a very significant increase over the stock Fox 93 lb-ft. If I had to guess, with TT Pipes head to tail and a stock cam with a big valve head, it's probably around 125 lb-ft.
This conversion will give you more reliable and usable power and torque for the money the anything you can do to the stock motor. Period. |
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mdwelsh
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 07:15:15
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Originally posted by tougefox
Well im not sure who out there plans on doing the aba swap but i figured id put the info out there if anyone needed it. Everything may not all be there cuz i might forget something here or there, if u notice anything feel free to add.
1. Techtonics aba block off plates
2. Techtonics dizzy adapter
3. swap 1.8 pulleys with aba pulleys
4. swap over oil pickup
5. swap oil pan
6. E30 motor mounts
7. swap over brackets
8. swap over motor mounts
Think thats pretty much it...Pretty simple, and more than worth it!
Please forgive my naievty and ignorance but what is an ABA? Are the parts mentioned above except the TT parts boneyard parts and if so what models and year ranges would I search for?
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tougefox
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 16:55:06
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| I forgot to mention the AEB oil filter flange thats bout the only part you might be able to find in a jy. The rest of the parts come from your 1.8 and techtonics, other than the motor mounts. The "ABA" is the 2.0L block that Volkswagen used in the MK2's |
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snowfox
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Posted - 07/17/2006 : 11:36:30
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Originally posted by tougefox
The "ABA" is the 2.0L block that Volkswagen used in the MK2's
Uhhh... MkIII's, bubba. |
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tougefox
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Posted - 07/18/2006 : 01:08:46
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| thats correct, thanks bro |
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mdwelsh
Junior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2006 : 11:13:50
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Originally posted by tougefox
I forgot to mention the AEB oil filter flange thats bout the only part you might be able to find in a jy. The rest of the parts come from your 1.8 and techtonics, other than the motor mounts. The "ABA" is the 2.0L block that Volkswagen used in the MK2's
Hey touge and how are ya?
Thanks for the education and it is always helpful to continue to learn about modifications to the Fox. Currently, I am having my entire front end replaced with the "whole nine yards" including Bilstein HD's and everything for the struts OEM from the VW dealer.
Well, there goes this month's finances but it will be sweet. Next month it will be new tie-rods, ball joints, new control arms and, of course, a wheel alignment. When completed this installation should last for years to come not to mention the inprovement in handling.
My goodness, I am still working on the carpet as it is challenging and I certainly love a challenge. However, so far it does not look very good. There is no quit until my computer "crashes".
Take care!
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tougefox
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Posted - 09/27/2006 : 23:27:39
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| Ok im gonna make this a sticky and while im at it post my comments. Well ive had my aba for a little while now and it has been great. As snowfox said the powerband is much better and torque is a big improvement as well. Dollar for dollar this is imo, for anyone who is going to mod their fox should be the first mod. If you gonna stay really mild then stay with the 1.8. But for anyone wanting to make some decent power, the ABA is the way to go. Numerous friends have told me my car is pretty quick, especially when i roast them in corners, albeit my car is stripped. From what ive been told with dual outlet and techtonics exhaust that is another 20hp give or take free'd up. For anyone who is interested in doing the swap feel free to post up. Its not hard, and straight forward. Myself and snowfox have both done the swap so getting help is no problem. |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 22:14:11
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| so it's 10:1 not just 200cc's? i didn't realize that. i might need to do this to my coupe. after the wagon is going. make some real numbers. hmm gti/gli cam full exhaust plus my intake should make me 125 fwhp rang maybe more? how does this work with digi 1? |
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tougefox
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 22:23:18
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| The swap is the same either way digi or cis, since the only thing you are modding is the block its all the same. But id recommend upgrading to a 5spd before doing the swap. |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/19/2006 : 22:39:26
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| ... lol 91-93 foxes aka digi foxes to the best of my knowledge came 5-speeds. been there have a 5-speed.lol |
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tougefox
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Posted - 11/20/2006 : 00:42:42
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| oops my bad forgot u had a new school. Thought i saw a post somewhere that stated you had a 4spd. On that note ABA FTW!!!!! |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/20/2006 : 19:30:55
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| i do also have a 88 wagon with the 4-speed tho, but it's getting something way different. i'm not sure yet. |
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snowfox
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 09:54:49
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Originally posted by ryubiggie
so it's 10:1 not just 200cc's? i didn't realize that. i might need to do this to my coupe. after the wagon is going. make some real numbers. hmm gti/gli cam full exhaust plus my intake should make me 125 fwhp rang maybe more? how does this work with digi 1?
The ABA's are 82.5mm x 92.8mm for 1984 cc's at 10:1 static CR.
In stock trim, they are rated at 115 bhp. It's important to note that this power rating is attained using an engine management system that WOT enrichment. Fox style Digi I and CIS-E are not equipped with the full throttle switches/fuel enrichment systems like their cousins. My 89 Jetta is Digi II with WOT and it makes a noticeable difference. I have the knock box and enrichment system off of an 87 GLI 8V that can, in theory, be retrofitted to my CIS system to provide the enrichment and knock control. All that to say, when the ABA is non cross flowed and not given the WOT enrichment, I suspect it is down a bit from the 115 crank. However, the Hydro G cam (GTI/GLI) cam can bring some (or all?) of that back. Good flowing exhaust won't hurt either, but the mkIII's that the preferred ABA's came in don't have that bad/restrictive a system right out of the box. (At least not compared to a stock Fox.) I know that some folks (Kenny and Adam come to mind...) have been running ABA's in Digi Foxes w/o too much trouble. (Well, Adam has had lean running troubles with monster cams, though. The mild factory sport cam should be just fine, though.)
Also- On your intake it looks like you need to get the cone boxed in to isolate from the underhood heat radiating off the exhaust that is right behind it. You can make it a proper CAI then. |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 16:40:21
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| yes boxing the filter in would be a very good idea. maybe later. i am sorry for the lash out it just felt like you where talking down to me, and i have a hard time dealing with it. any idea's on how much work it is to swap form digi 1 to digi 2? just to confirm the obd 1 aba's are forged right pistons and all? |
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snowfox
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 17:26:28
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No clue on the Digi I/II swap. I think most folks would encourage you to go MegaSquirt or 034 EFI stand alone management if you want to go through that much effort. (Some of that may be limited by your local emissions regs - mine suck in CA) I've alway run the old school CIS-E since I've only been driving these Fox wagons for the last 10+ years. I know the old fashioned CIS will properly feed the 2L - up to something like 200hp. It's been doing a flawless job in my 2L wagon since 98 / 155k+ miles now using the GTI/GLI 8V Hydro cam. I don't know how far Digi (I or II) will go. When I'm trolling the 8 valve forum on the Vortex, it seems like most Digi folks switch over to MS or 034 EFI right around 140 whp.
As for OBD I internals, I know the crank and rods are forged. Pistons are probably cast. If you're planning on getting wicked with a 2L, OBD I is the only way to go - especially if you have boost in your plans. The OBD I piston squirters are a big help in keeping the piston crown temps (and detonation) down. |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 17:55:50
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| on the coupe if i do a power adder it will be nitrous, but thats if i do one. i don't think i am. just a strong motor. ow my wagon on the other hand. i'm not sure what yet but it's getting something crazy in it. then i think i'm going to be done with foxes for the most part i really want rwd. maybe some kind of crazy power train swap like s2000, or something stupid crazy like that. just rwd. |
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snowfox
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 18:22:43
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Dude, don't hit the bottle. Digi has a hard enough time keeping up when it is 'all motor'. Hitting the laughing gas it'll never keep up with fuel delivery requirements and you'll just melt your pistons.
clink + clink = $0.02 |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 18:28:41
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| well just like anything i'd go wet kit witch comes with it's own fueling, but thats why i asked about forged pistons. if they are cast than (nos + cast = lots of problems) just like you said. wet kit is "safer" lol but it's still nos so it's all about tuning just like turbo's. a crap turn and even on 5 psi you can pop a block. tune = everything on cars. |
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tougefox
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Posted - 11/26/2006 : 22:15:57
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| ive been thinking bout sprayin on my ride. But im all cis. The only thing i dont like about the idea is that fact that im gonna have to spend money to keep refilling the bottle. That sux! |
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ryubiggie
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Posted - 11/26/2006 : 23:06:01
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| just use a wet kit. i was going to make a small fuel system just for my nos. like a 3 gal tank of race gas with a little pump run on the action switch. it really should work well with a fogger kit. i have been thinking about it but who know now. |
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KomradePie
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Posted - 07/29/2008 : 14:02:43
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| So, and this may sound stupid, is an exhaust (Hi-Flow Cat and back) ultimately futile if the head and intake/exhaust manifolds are stock? I own an 89 GL. Thanks for the help. Everyone here seems great! |
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tougefox
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Posted - 07/29/2008 : 21:52:44
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| no, from what ive heard the high flow catback from techtonics tuning is still a noticeable difference from stock. The stock exhaust blows-lol. You get even better gains if you install the dual outlet exhaust manifold. I sold a dual outlet to ryubiggie on here and he says he loooooves it. Big difference. |
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dvddecrypter
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 19:31:21
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| Where can I order the engine for 200 shipped? Also are we talking a working assembly or a used up block that will need to be rebuilt? |
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tougefox
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 10:04:55
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| I ordered mine from some shop off vwfixx. Local yards here have blocks for 75 bucks. I didnt rebuild my block. Bolted it in and it ran great for a year. |
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93Fox
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 23:25:42
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i picked up a 94 jetta GL today free, if i replaced the tcu it could be a daily driver. pulling the ABA, rear brakes system, going to try and get the headlights to work on my car since mine SUCK.
got the car home a little before 6pm, called it quits at 945, the engine is ready to come out tomorrow. gettin up early and hitting it hard tomorrow |
Edited by - 93Fox on 02/14/2009 03:07:35 |
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