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tougefox
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 Posted - 04/19/2006 : 17:55:10
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found some, gonna roll with hawk race pads, SS line and brembo slotted rotors
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volkswagenfoxclub
Web Site Creator
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2006 : 18:02:38
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sounds like your gonna have some good stopping power
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2006 : 10:07:42
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| Are the Hawk pads full race/track pads? If so, I would advise against them for street use. Race pads have to get really hot to work properly and are really sketchy before that. I have run some full race brakes on the street and they were a bitch. You had know well in advance when you were going to need to stop because it was like the brakes were wet until you got them heated up. Emergency stops were out of the question. |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 10:41:41
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| aaah ic. Yea i believe they are race pads, im gonna have to look up on them again, cuz i know i saw a lot of reviews where they were ran on the street. Ill look into that. Makes sense tho, thanks! |
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mdwelsh
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2006 : 20:24:59
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With all the mods including possible brake cooling ducts it appears the "touge" has a , shall we say, a HEAVY foot! Ha Ha!
Alright touge, cough it up with the recent citations you have received for that Herman Munster Boot on your right foot!
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2006 : 20:54:43
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hahaha naw none as of yet since 2003. Got my license suspended in 03, had to sell my modded 01 miata got the elcamino, now im in the fox. Tru story
RIP 
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mdwelsh
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 06:56:25
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quote:
Originally posted by tougefox
hahaha naw none as of yet since 2003. Got my license suspended in 03, had to sell my modded 01 miata got the elcamino, now im in the fox. Tru story
RIP
Please forgive my "off topic" question but I have heard that the Miata is a very fun car; even stock. If you feel that the mods should not be shared here then please send me a PM on the mods and performance.
Thanks!
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 16:50:48
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racing beat springs
racing beat sway bars
beatrush upper rear bar
roll bar
mazdaspeed short shifter
volk racing TE-37 wheels
LSD
simply put, words cant explain how fun the car is! |
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catric69
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2006 : 19:55:04
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quote:
Originally posted by tougefox
found some, gonna roll with hawk race pads, SS line and brembo slotted rotors
What calipers are you using? |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2006 : 22:08:19
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| right now im stock, but im upgrading to 10.1 calipers which came on the 16v roccos. |
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catric69
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 11:22:29
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Originally posted by tougefox
right now im stock, but im upgrading to 10.1 calipers which came on the 16v roccos.
Are the roccos oem brakes vented? I know for a fact, Audi 4000s calipers are direct bolt-ons if you are looking to upgrade to 10.1 vented rotors. Note: Audi 4000s model came with two different size pads. If you have upgrade your rear as well you are going to need a bigger brake booster. Also, off-topic the 5speed from a 4000s well bolt on to the fox. If you were looking for a close ratio tranny. Only problem I never resolved was getting reverse to work. Only if I had tried the 4000s linkage, I think that would have fixed that problem.
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2006 : 11:35:05
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Do the 4k carriers bolt up, too?
On the 4k crossover parts:
There are several Audi 4k and VW Quantum trannies that work.
The front struts are interchangeable as well, though there is no real advantage to them.
The seats are also a direct fit and a nice upgrade from stock Fox units.
BTW, catric69, welcome to the forum! Head on over to the 'Noob Forum' and introduce yourself, too! |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2006 : 12:54:19
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quote:
Originally posted by snowfox
Do the 4k carriers bolt up, too?
BTW, catric69, welcome to the forum! Head on over to the 'Noob Forum' and introduce yourself, too!
ditto, oh and.....got any pics of your ride? |
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catric69
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 17:57:17
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quote:
Originally posted by tougefox
quote:
Originally posted by snowfox
Do the 4k carriers bolt up, too?
BTW, catric69, welcome to the forum! Head on over to the 'Noob Forum' and introduce yourself, too!
ditto, oh and.....got any pics of your ride?
I don't have my fox anymore and never really took any pictures of it, but as for the carriers yes. Just pick up a set of calipers with carriers off an 4000s and it will boltup. Oh, one more thing! The dust shield needs to be pryed back because it will rub on the rotor and cause a loud grinding noise (very bad). Thats about it for now!
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2006 : 23:11:50
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| well snow im gonna go ahead and do the hawk street/track pads with the slotted brembo rotors. I read the reviews and they say other than the exception of a lot of brake dust and a little squealing theyre great for the street. |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2006 : 12:22:19
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quote:
Originally posted by tougefox
well snow im gonna go ahead and do the hawk street/track pads with the slotted brembo rotors. I read the reviews and they say other than the exception of a lot of brake dust and a little squealing theyre great for the street.
The key there is the "street/track" rating. It's not a full race pad - it's the full race pads that I was advising you not to use on the street.
I'm still not sold on the Brembo slotted rotors, but they do have a bling factor I suppose. Does Brembo slot the rotors or does someone else do it to a Brembo rotor and sell them that way? Are the slots part of the original casting or are they machined afterwords? These are the important points to consider. |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 10:58:17
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Here are the pics from when I did the 10.1 conversion back in 97.
16V Scirroco set up with ATE Power Disks and PBR pads.
I'm still running that exact set of rotors after more than 200k miles - and they aren't dead yet. |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 17:56:03
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| MY OH MY, love the side view pic, big difference. How much did the ATE rotors set you back? |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 18:17:09
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| When I bought them, they were $40 each - the same price or a dollar more than standard ATE replacements without the slots. The slots in these are part of the original casting you won't have the possible stress risers and thermal cracking that post-cast slot can introduce. |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 20:57:51
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| how do they perform? I hope they do pretty good cuz if so im ditching the 161 dollar brembos and going with those. Run the HAWK pads withem. |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 21:32:29
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I've had great performance from them. (Disclaimer: To be completely honest, having never run Brembo rotors in this configuration, I can't give you a complete assessment - I'm a mechanical/R&D engineer, so these things have to be stated.) The first time I really gave them a test, I waited until after I had bedded the pads, and then driving down the freeway at ~75 with no one near by, I laid into them. I wasn't going for a lock up or full stop or anything, just a really good 'slow down' test. They punted me into the steering wheel - which promptly got the 'push-steering-wheel-to-honk-horn' action going on. Kinda embarrassing, but I was impressed. Another person to check with who took my advice on the ATE Power Disks is Kenny (a.k.a., FoxStRacing) over on the Vortex. He has used them with great results on his track car. It kills me that they are so inexpensive and are so solid- I know Brembo is a great name in brakes, but ATE is o.e. for VW. I put them on our 99 Passat GLX a few months back, too. 11" vented and slotted at ~$50 each. Word.
One more point of interest when making the switch to 10.1's on a wagon: You have a load sensing proportioning valve on the passenger side rear trailing arm pivot junction. You will need (at least I did) to adjust the linkage on the valve's arm to indicate that you are fully loaded so it will send as much brake fluid pressure as possible to the rear drums. This will help balance the massive increase in front braking and let you take maximum advantage of the wagon's bigger rear drums. |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 17:10:36
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| ok snow im starting this back up again-lol but do the ATE's rust? Just curious cuz i want them to stay nice and shiny. BTW who has the best price on them? |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2006 : 17:39:36
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Hey hey hey! Somebody is posting in the vwfoxclub! whoa!
Sorry-
Anyways, Mike, yes they rust. ALL cast iron brakes rust. The brake surface stays clear, obviously. Look at this pic closely. If you look closely between the spokes, you'll see the edge of my rotor - and its rust.
This is how bad they look after 200,000 miles. They stay nice and shiny for a while, but in the end - they are iron. The only way to avoid it is to use ceramic rotors and carbon/kevlar pads.
I think my mechanic has the best price on them. I only paid like 45 or 50 each for the 11's I put on our B5 GLX. It was the same price as the stock ATE's w/o the grooves.
I've bought them for our 89 Jetta (9.4 vented w/slots) for like 40 each from Adirondack in N.Y. I'm sure you can find them at around the same price (40-45 would be norm.) from one of the online vendors... |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 09/12/2006 : 17:58:40
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| damn man that rust just killed it for me. Gotta lotta stuff coming for foxy burgandy this weekend to make her scoot and look sexy cant have that rust killin my game-lol |
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snowfox
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Posted - 09/13/2006 : 10:57:23
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If rust is a deal breaker, get ready to drop somewhere in the neighborhood of $8,000 for a ceramic/composite set-up like the Porsches.
Good luck finding a rust proof cast iron rotor |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2006 : 15:49:52
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hmmmm 911 calipers on a fox .........hmmmm |
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ryubiggie
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 11/25/2006 : 23:27:54
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| i just did this with the parts from touge but my pads didn't fit they where to wide i had to grind them down. i still need to rebleed my hole system. maybe even do the ss lines then( my drivers side is cracking). i am locking them up quicker but the fade is GONE!!!! thats all i wanted anyway. i have almost hit like 3 people because of fade but now i have vents. :) |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 10:07:02
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| Yeah- Definitely need to replace those lines. Stainless lines are the way to go. If you didn't already, I would recommend refilling the system with Ate's 'Super Blue' fluid - you can do it when you re-bleed the system after changing out the rubber lines. |
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tougefox
Administrator
USA
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 11:51:10
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| when getting stainless lines for the 10.1 do we get them for the fox from nuespeed or the rocco? |
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snowfox
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2006 : 16:16:09
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Fox. The end fittings are the same, but the chassis type determines the required length.
Another thing to watch out for, Mike, is that the wagons got the shaft on the 4 line kit - at least from the company I bought mine from. I can't remember who that is off hand, but Neuspeed didn't list them for the Fox anymore so I *think* I might have gotten them from Rapid Parts or something. I'll check it out when I get home. The problem is that they thought all Foxes were the same for brake lines. They are in the front, but wagons are different in the rear. We have a load sensing proportioning valve back there that terminates in the wrong fitting to use the standard coupe/sedan rear lines. I don't remember which it way it was, but I definitely had a 'homo fitting' match up down there - male/male or female/female. You can get around it with a coupler of the correct flavor or I *think* they had an option with the correct terminations for a Golf or something that was just an inch longer that would work instead.
Just a little FYI... |
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ryubiggie
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2006 : 17:56:43
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thats for the info, on the wagons i was also thinking about doing it on that one also.
ps doesn't tt have ss lines? |
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